Monday, February 18, 2019

Arapahoe Basin / Vail Resorts End Partnership

We are very proud of how wonderful Arapahoe Basin has become from the unparalleled skiing and riding to the incredible scenery. With diverse ski runs including some of the most intense terrain in North America and a culinary operation that is regularly listed among the top ten in the country, the ski area has developed a very special community that feels like home. In order to continue to build on this spirit and the experience we have created, Arapahoe Basin and Vail Resorts will not be renewing their pass partnership for the 2019-20 season. 

A-Basin has seen exceptional growth both in popularity and skier visitation after investing 40 million dollars over the last 15 years. While the mountain still has plenty of room for skiers and riders, the ski area is feeling a pinch on parking and facility space. Due to these constraints, Arapahoe Basin believes its staff can take better care of its guests by separating from Vail Resorts.

Our focus has always been to provide an extraordinary mountain experience for our guests. With consistent snowfall and one of the nation's highest and most stunning settings, we offer an environment that is totally unique. From Montezuma Bowl to The Beavers and from Black Mountain Lodge to the 6th Alley Bar and Grill, there are few resorts that can match The Basin's scenic landscape. Looking forward, we strive to provide ready and easy access for our guests. Our goal is to minimize waiting and crowding and maximize experiences and fun.

At this time, there are no new partnerships to announce. In the coming months the ski area will be discussing opportunities with several resorts and resort groups. Skiers and riders that call A-Basin home can feel good knowing the resort will still offer tremendous value and exceptional mountain experiences. These actions are designed to preserve that special culture and vibe people expect when they choose to spend a day at The Basin. The future for Arapahoe Basin is very bright.

Please note that 2018-19 Vail Resorts season passes that are currently valid at A-Basin will continue to be valid for the remainder of the 2018-19 season.

For media inquiries contact Katherine Fuller at katherinef@a-basin.net.


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Unknown said...

YAHOO...You are better than vail

SkiDude said...

Good! Vail is overpriced!

Jeff said...

Great news!

Jake B. said...

This is exactly the sort of move to encourage me to get at least a 4-pack as a die-hard Loveland skier.

Good luck. Be brave (aka don't go IKON).

Mallthus said...

Not super surprising, but it’ll definitely decrease my A-Basin visits. Because I ski with a bunch of different friends, I buy I both an Epic and an Ikon Pass. After I’ve bought over a $1000 in passes, I’m really unlikely to buy a day pass for another mountain. It’s the same reason I haven’t been to Loveland for 4 years.

Anonymous said...

Finally someone stands up to the Evil Empire.

Anonymous said...

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!

P J E and B Callahan said...

Love it. As long as it stays affordable, it's such a great family mountain!

Anonymous said...

No more epic losers from denver!!!! NO MORE FRANGERS WHITH DIRT CHEEP PASSES!!!

CAN'T TELL YOU HOW HAPPY SUMMIT LOCALS ARE WITH THIS ANNOUNCEMENT!!!

anonymouss45632 said...

Booooo! You suck. Are you really going independent? Your little hill is nice, but not THAT nice!! You will lose massive revenue from this decision. F***. Weak.

andrew b said...

Bummed. Won't buy two passes, so won't end up staying at the basin. I suppose that's what they want though. Skiing is good, but not better than anywhere else.

Anonymous said...

This is a great start. I hope you guys don't just go join the ikon pass though. Maybe go solo like Loveland does for a season?

Ravitztpt said...

Thank you! I know change is part of life and I'm glad to see the basin thriving, but I have really missed the old A Basin feel the past few seasons.

Anonymous said...

Longtime summit local and really sad to hear this. I get free Ikon and Epic because I teach at both and ski all over with friends and I know this will decrease their A-basin visits and probably ours as a family too. Hope you guys get another partner to keep the revenue up and keep things viable. Anybody celebrating this doesn't understand resort economics. ^^^^

Unknown said...

Vail is more interested in maximizing skier visits rather than skier experience. Good move A-Basin...

Anonymous said...

This is excellent news and the comments above show exactly why! Please stay off the IKON.

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.” - Albert Einstein (maybe)

So, yea..

Anonymous said...

I only skied A Basin late season when everything else is closed, anyway. Never really liked the place. Runs too short.

Anonymous said...

A good product doesn't need discounting

sfuva21 said...

Ikon will be just as crowded. Traffic was backed up on 70 for over a mile on the copper exit Saturday. Don't join them.

Ian said...

Throw in with Loveland! Best two mountains in the area.

Went with a Loveland pass this year because of the increased traffic at AB. I miss the 6th Alley bloodies. Still skiing AB a couple days but would love to get more in.

Kent Palan said...

Too bad... i get both passes so not worth the hassle... i always buy a 4 pack for loveland because i can get there in 35 40 minutes... not going to buy anything for Arapahoe drudge over Loveland pass & play for the pleasure of that drive? Nope... so it sounds like you want fewer skiers and less revenue? Hmmm

Anonymous said...

Join Ikon and I may hit it occasionally during the week. But more importantly, beef up your infrastructure to handle the traffic first.

ChiefHeyoka said...

Howdy Alan,

This is opportunity.

Have you read Porter Fox's book, "Deep: The Story of Skiing and the Future of Snow"?. The posits the question of why, ski areas aren't doing all they can to fight climate change. It asks why, corporations such as Vail and Aspen have on their board, members who regularly give gobs of money to politicians who're in the pockets of oil and gas, who's policies aren't in any alignment with climate change.

Porter also wrote a piece, "Why Can't Rich People Save Winter". Perhaps you saw it. Here's the link:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/02/opinion/sunday/winter-snow-ski-climate.html

The ski season is shrinking. The people who depend on snow aren't doing near enough. I'm not suggesting the Basin can stop climate change.

But I am saying that you now have the ability to position the Basin as being perhaps the only ski area in America taking a strong position on climate change.

Because now that you're free from Vail, you now have the freedom to create a unique message. You can follow Patagonia's model. I hope you do. In doing so, you'll create free advertising you could never buy. You'll gain the trust and respect of younger skiers and riders, 70% of whom support climate change. Younger riders are the future of the sport.

The Basin has the opportunity now to position itself squarely for the environment and doing all it can to fight climate change. This compared to the greenwashing Vail, Aspen, and so many other ski ares are about.

Yes, you'll piss off Republicans and climate deniers. But you'll also gain loyalty from many more.

I encourage you to go big.

Please.

Sincerely,
Paul Kulas
Eagle, CO

Anonymous said...

Such an awesome day for Arapahoe Basin!! Thank you Al!! Just please don't jump on the Ikon pass or anything with Eldora. You'll just end up with the same problems. No Ikon!

Anonymous said...

Congratulations!

fred waring said...

We will sadly miss this partnership. Love A-Basin and their friendly staff but will probably not be skiing there after this year. And for all those who think Vail Resorts is an evil empire. Their passes and partnerships have made skiing affordable. My son in Montana pays twice as much for just one mountain. Yes they do some some bad things but They also do a lot of good things. Anyway wish the Basin the best.

Unknown said...

Love A-Basin good move

Luke Durkin said...

My calls for secession have been realized! I never thought this would happen!
Did Vail charge A-Basin to be on the Epic Pass? Perhaps, A-Basin was not seeing much revenue from the Epic Pass for the number of skier visits they were receiving?

Anonymous said...

Thank you thank you thank you!

Anonymous said...

I'll miss waiting in line for the Vail passes that don't work in early season.
Good move A-basin.

Joseph Taylor said...

I double down on the exclusive A Basin pass. A basin wins big with this decision. Look at business models like Trader Joe's. The profits will go up for A basin with a commitment to a quality experience for customers. Thank you. More is not better.

Marco said...

Is the price of the lift pass going up now?

Kate said...

Interesting. I'd still purchase an additional 4-pack to ski A-bay. Or maybe just a seasons pass because I rarely use the other mountains on Epic.

Calob Rundell said...

I would love to see The Basin join with the other independent Colorado mountains and have 3 free days on their pass to places like Monarch, Sunlight, Ski Cooper, Powderhorn, ect. Not sure how Loveland fits in that equation, but that would be pretty sweet for Basin passes to have 3 free days at Loveland and Loveland passes to have 3 free days at the Basin.

Anonymous said...

As a summit local, I'd still like to see some sort of Keystone / A-Basin pass. Not sure if that's still possible. Whatever you do, don't join Ikon. No way that can be part of the plan if you're interested in managing traffic. Worse than EPIC by far.

Anonymous said...

Then I guess it's bye bye abasin....

. said...

Alan, thank you for making this difficult and stand up decision. Arapahoe is a stand alone ski mountain and a stand alone ski experience. I'll pay whatever pass price is asked as it is so worth skiing the center of the Universe. Cheers to The Legend. See you guys tomorrow. Wow.

Luke said...

This is great news Al. I'm looking forward to the change.

Hopefully those that really love the basin will step up & buy an A-Basin pass regardless of their other pass deals. I know I will.

Anonymous said...

Parking problems solved… lucky those that doubled down

David said...

I will be looking forward to skiing abasin without the front range masses, but the truth is that even on a powder day over a holiday weekend the lifts and trails at abasin are not terribly crowded. It is too bad that Abasin clearly has skier capacity to spare but can't figure out how to get people to the mountain. Running buses frequently from dillon/ silverthorne and from Georgetown seems like a no-brainer. With a little innovation, abasin could have broken the I70 logjam for their skiers, but instead we will all continue to clog the pass with our personal vehicles.

Anonymous said...

Al, please charge at least $500 for a season pass.... or more...I'll pay what you charge...

Dont want the same issues.... since vail is charging 369 for the new keystone pass...

Anonymous said...

..
As a county local, Glad to see you go...

Anonymous said...

This shall not change the fact I still will be doing my twice annual pilgrimage to A-Basin from the Midwest. This means I will just buy your season pass instead.

Anonymous said...

Yes!! and although I get a free EPIC pass to coach, I will gladly buy a Basin pass to enjoy a true skiing experience with my family and friends. The joy is now there are choices ABasin or Loveland if you want that or EPIC or ICON if that is your thing.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like a negotiation tactic to sell out for more with what I hope does not become a hypocritical message about moral high ground regarding better service to patrons. Seems silly to announce the end of a partnership without a finalized negotiation with another player. Can AB go it alone at a low enough operational cost with enough low $ pass sales on local loyalty while maintaining standards? Does AB need a partnership? Will AB become a high $ boutique pass-a Silverton on the divide? We'll see.......

Anonymous said...

Nice! The people upset about this move can leave the mountain! Abasin is amazing but they aren't a massive resort. They can't handle the crazy crowds from Denver and other areas. Now hopefully there will be less traffic, more parking, less terrible skiers, shorter lift lines, easier early and late season skiing! No vail! No Ikon! Make an independent pass with other rad resorts!

Anonymous said...

Al, I hope you do become a high dollar pass... I'll pay 1k or more for each person in my family

Keep people like the above person away... let them go to Icestone...
Please, charge a substantial dollar. Summit locals will pay, real skiers and riders will pay... let the front rangers and tourists go to McDonald's of ski areas.... low cost, high volume...

KSA 1 said...

Thank you I'm sure you have already chartered the way forward. This is great news!!! MGD are smiling.

Anonymous said...

....and have you been to keystone lately? Can anyone say, sheet of ice?

Anonymous said...

You're exactly the customer that a basin does not want...

Bye.

Anonymous said...

Al, my checkbook is open... just tell me the number...

Hats off to you and the owners

Unknown said...

Yea, those Epic losers from Denver who are the backbone of your Summit County economy... Don’t worry, I’ll do my best to avoid even buying gas in your county. Please do your best to let everyone in Denver know how you feel. I’m doing my best to make summit county the premier destination for frat boys looking to party. I’m marketing it to the most environmentally unconscious bros I can find. The kind of people that litter everywhere, and generally have no regard for anyone or anything around them. I don’t want you to lose out on money that we, the epic losers of Denver would have provided. I want a Fyre Festival in Summit County.

Also, if you could please do not use DIA. We wouldn’t want you to have to rub shoulders with so many losers.

Anonymous said...

Agreed 100%

Al, please charge real money for 19-20.. keep the keystone-abasin pass holders away...

Anonymous said...

....go back to A51 ... stay there.

Cheri Ryan said...

Congrats!! This is exciting news!! How about considering a season long locals lesson program, similar to Breckenridge's Unlimited lesson pass program?

Anonymous said...

A-Basin will always have a competitive edge -- close to Denver, high altitude (in the face of climate change) -- You don't need Vail, you're above them - literally! Besides, the steep terrain at A-Basin doesn't fit the 'target skier profile' of a flat Vail resort. Bravo on this move and remaining true to locals!

Brownjuan Brown said...

Wait to see how this change plays out on my wallet....multiple passes?
Like the idea of A-Basin being independent; like the possibility of less
crowded parking; I will always purchase whatever pass is needed to be
able to ski The Legend.

How about joining forces with Loveland? Call it THE DIVIDE PASS.....
Some free days at Taos or Monarch......

Surely management has reviewed the numbers: skier visits, revenue streams,
parking, food & beverage......so the numbers must at least support this decision.

Good luck Arapahoe Basin. I will continue to support you.

Anonymous said...

Loveland - a basin pass = shutup and take my money!

Anonymous said...

Now you can focus on good guest services. Your parking attendants and lift ops don't hardly speak with anyone upon arrival to their stations. Dirty uniforms and limited guest interactions have taken the soul of that place to the dark side for many years now. Time to heal up the scars and start acting like you care. Good riddance epic pass. Everything starts on the front lines. Shore up the holes in your guest service.

Anonymous said...

Good move for The Legend. Just please make a call to Loveland, Monarch, Cooper, etc and make a deal. Call it the Centennial Pass. As a loser from the Front Range that plays in the mountains a ton, I’d love to have an option to ski and ride somewhere without dodging fall-line hating kooks from Plano.

ScottyG said...

Good news for local Basin riders. Let's hope the lifts will move at a more consistent clip without unskilled skiers & boarders failing to load/unload properly. Congratulations to Al & his staff for making a move in the right direction!

Anonymous said...

This announcement was completely expected to me, although I thought it would come in March. Personally, I don't want to dismiss the idea of joining the Ikon Pass -- you could be one of their limited resorts, offering a total of 5-7 days with holiday restrictions. If you did not, I would simply buy a four-pack.

Eric said...

Thank goodness! Vail is best at overcharging and catering to middling skiers from New Jersey. Keep these guys away from the Basin!

Kevin from Golden said...

I love it! Just say no to Vail resorts.

Val said...

Just say no to Vail....hoping you can join IKON and we can get a few days at the lovely Basin...we miss you so!!!

Anonymous said...

You guys played your hand PERFECTLY! Well done AL! I'm looking forward to buying a season pass for 19-20 and beyond! :)

Anonymous said...

As long as you don't jump in the ikon ship... Working at crystal this year and they don't do much for employees (like say provide an ikon pass), but the mountain sure is busier. Trading Vail for asspen is no upgrade.

Anonymous said...

How long was a-Basin on the epic pass?

Anonymous said...

Best of luck these can be tough decisions Its for the best

Anonymous said...

I always smile when I read the "legend". Seriously? The emperor has no clothes but keep telling yourself this is some legendary area. The skiing isn't better than anywhere else, the runs are very short in reality, you have to take the stupid pass outside of your clothes so it can be scanned which is nuts in 2019, the parking stinks and the food is like anywhere else. No won't buy several passes. This will bite your butt in the end. Lose numbers and you lose revenue. But I guess you can really hike up your solo pass for the dread locks crowd. That might help.

Beauh Awk said...

They aren't Vail. They don't care about your massive revenue. All they need is sustainability, like Loveland and Monarch.

Beauh Awk said...

Loveland seems to be doing fine just fine.

Anonymous said...

Stay away we don't need you! Go ski vail and suck it!

Anonymous said...

Ikon please :)

Anonymous said...

You don't understand Abasin, if you're worried about money for the resort and won't be spending money there because of this decision then leave

Anonymous said...

Way to go A-basin! I defected from the Epic pass a few years ago due to the poor skiing experience, crowds, etc. Now that you are off that, I'd love to see the team-up with Loveland, MOnarch, Purgatory, etc like others have mentioned. Ready to jump back to an A-basin season pass!

Unknown said...

Happy happy happy!

highoutput bob said...

I'm buying an abay pass next year! Keep it real, Al.

Anonymous said...

This seems like a good decision, if you join another pass that will work better.

As much as I love skiing at the Basin, I like a change of scenery and feel, and choosing where to go based on who I'm skiing with - beginners, experts, boarders, visitors, starving students, etc.

I am hoping A-Basin will become more of a skiers' mountain, and will find another pass to join as I'm on a budget with 9 skiers in my family so can't afford 2 passes - but not Loveland PLEASE - lots of dope, and reckless riders; A-basin is a huge step above that place.

Anonymous said...

No second-guessing here. You all can make it work. Pass alliances may come and go but The Basin Abides! ... CM

bleachlpb said...

Great news! I left Epic years ago and never looked back. Looking at Vail's portfolio, A Basin always seemed like the "one of these is not like the others" mountain.

Looking forward to many more years skiing at A Basin!

Beauh Awk said...

Simply not true. If he got the gold at Big Sky he gets mountain collective. He parks for free, not $30. If it's lower tiered pass it's less.

Unknown said...

YES!!!! As a native who grew up skiing almost exclusively at ABasin, I haven't been there in the last five seasons because of how crowded it's become with all of the Epic passholders. I'm so excited to be able to come back!!!

Please go independent and join up with Powder Alliance or something if you do join a consortium. Please DON'T just go join up on Ikon or some other massive pass group.

SO STOKED TO COME BACK!!!

Anonymous said...

You guys do realize that resorts make more money on daily lift tickets and not passes right? Considering A-Bay has one of the lowest daily lift rates just like Loveland, it'll still be super crowded on the weekends but they just get more revenue but less overall pass holders. However, this resort doesn't have the best conditions in terms of getting snow, high winds, etc. The prologned season, pot heads and drunks is what made it so iconic but Keystone and Breck are planning to be the first and last to open and close, execpt for breck isn't opening first. It'll be a gamble to see how well there investments hold up during the summer with no steady revenue stream. Although I wouldn't be surprissed if A-Bay joins the partnerships that Loveland has with other small resorts. It could be a good move but Loveland is known for it's friendly goofy patrons. A-Bay is know for it's harcore pissed off folks that will run you into a tree. It'd be like comparing Harely to Toyota, one is iconic and the other is reliable. But living in CO I've learned that resorts aren't the place to be, backcountry skiing/splitting with friendly people and unlimited places to be is where it's at.

Anonymous said...

Throwing in with Loveland for an affordable 2 mountain pass would be would be a perfect match for us old school skiers, a First to Last pass for those who like October to May skiing. Best of luck to whatever decision you make.

beholdthefield said...

Great news Al! I will always support an independent Abasin. Please don't step in the ICON trap right away. Take time to see how things settle in 2019-2020.

Anonymous said...

There's a lot of hate in these comments and it makes me sad. This shouldn't be a Denver vs. Summit or expert vs beginner controversy. We should welcome anyone that loves the sport and puts the effort into knowing the right etiquette. That doesn't seem to be Vail's focus and why I'm happy Abasin is leaving them.

Ryan said...

This has been in the works for a while. Glad to see it become official.

Speculation now begins on how this came about.

1. The pass partnership worked well from 1997 to 2011, when Vail Resorts was forced to divest Arapahoe Basin as part of the deal to acquire Breckenridge and Keystone when it bought out Ralston Purina. For years, the deal was reciprocal, where Vail Resorts offered the Colorado Pass (precursor to the Epic Local Pass) and Arapahoe Basin was allowed to offer the a "Bonus Pass" with up to 5 days at the Colorado Vail Resorts mountains. When thr joint pass agreement was renewed by both parties in 2012, Vail Resorts took away the A-Basin Bonus pass option, putting then in complete control of the joint pass agreement.

2. At the end of the 2012-2013 ski season, A-Basin began offered their season pass for the following season (2013-2014) for $319. Then Vail Resorts mad the move to introduce the Keystone A-Basin pass for $279, undercutting the Arapahoe Basin pass by $30, thereby not treating Arapahoe Basin as an equal business partner and making it evident that Vail Resorts intended to solely dictate the terms of the Vail Resorts Arapahoe Basin business relationship.

3. Parking. With the $1.2 Million parking expansion completed during tje summer of 2008, Arapahoe Basin maxed out the number of parking spots. The only place left to expand parking is above the Last Chance lot, in a very sensitive ecological wetland area at the very source of the Snake River. As far as environmentally sensitive areas go, this is near the top. Bulldozing this area for a parking lot would ve a royally bad idea, since any pollution would run downstream into Dillon Resevoir, and possibly compromise the drinking water source for 25% of Denver Water's customers. This is an unacceptable environmental risk. The second factor in parking is the sheer volume of cars, which is beginning to significantly degrade the skiing experience, especially on the weekends.

4. Reputation. Over the last decade or so Arapahoe Basin has truly stepped out of Vail Resorts' shadow and truly made a name for itself. Many people now know A-Basin by name and not just another small Mom & Pop ski area that happens to be part of a multi-mountain pass, like it largely was 10-15 years ago.

So to sum up, Arapahoe Basin wants to be treated as an equal business partner in whatever pass partnership they are a part of. The relationship with Vail Resorts largely started this way and worked well for many years, until one party sought to solely control the terms of the relationship. Secondly, parking is maxed out and is beginning to significantly impact the skier experience. Thirdly, Arapahoe Basin now has a reputation as a skiers mountain apart from Vail Resorts, and can use that reputation to attract skiers and snowboarders on its own and have a financially viabke business model.

I for one will remain a loyal Arapahoe Basin season pass holder. Am, as always, keep up the good work!

Anonymous said...

Wow, well I've got student loans so I'm not gonna be able to keep affording resort passes. It was nice having a variety of resorts to go to but the crowding, unhappy people and expensive parking make it hard to justify. Buying my splitboard gear (plus the avi gear) has gotten cheaper to where I was able to eventually put everything together, I'm curious to see how everything works out for you guys, best of luck.

deegy said...

I totally understand your reasons, but it is very sad for me as well. I dearly love skiing at A-Basin & it has long been my favorite mountain, but may not be able to after this year. We buy an Epic Local pass to cover skiing, as we usually get out to Colorado only once or twice a year. After purchasing those passes, we don't have it in the budget to buy more day or season passes on a retiree's limited income. We impressed a few people this year with the 25 year old patch from some of our earlier trips to the Basin. I hate to think about not being able to ski there again.

egotrip said...

How much will be the early bird adult season pass???

Anonymous said...

I needed this today... Thank you Al! This is the kind of courageous leadership we need from more of our organizations. I don't know what your pricing analysis is going to show, but personally, I'd pay at least double the current pass price if not more. While you're at it, bring back the season lockers and charge a sustainable price for them.. Probably 3x the old price would be justified if you'd stop venting the men's crapper into the locker room.. :)

On the flip side of this discussion, in my opinion the retail pass prices should be expensive enough to offer some means of offsetting costs for a portion of the population that wants to ski at AB but can't put up $750+/yr for a ski pass. The Basin wouldn't be the Basin if Charlie and his ilk couldn't afford to ski there any more.

But to all you folks who aren't Charlie, saying you won't ski here if you can't ski here for free... That's the point.

Anonymous said...

Haha yeah thats why they were partnered with Vail Resorts?? Jack ass

Anonymous said...

Cool, your not a real local if you really want epic losers cutting up the mountain. Also, if you really worked for both, you'd be okay with real deal, or maybe your just dumb and want to ski with Jerry's

Anonymous said...

Yeah fewer skiers is better numbnuts. Or do you ski?

fred waring said...

Earlier I gave positive comments on A Basin but after reading a few of the snide remarks regarding anyone who has an Epic pass or anyhow connected to VR from some skiers and riders that I dont think I will finish out at the Basin. Its too bad a few people have to ruin a great experience. I hope those outspoken will look in the mirror and realize we are all here for fun.

Zach Bryant said...

Good for Abasin, but it was my favorite mountian on the Epic Pass so I am sad about this. I love the local vibe I get there and the people there are awesome. Out of my total days skiing this season, half have been at Abasin. I hope all the best for the Basin. Hopefully I'll find myself skiing there next season too.

Anonymous said...

Excellent news! Lb

DickTheConquerer said...

I was about to say the same thing and then i saw this. Loveland/ abay partnership would basically solidify loveland pass as an actual destination ski area with a huge variety of terrain, the best, coldest snow /snowpack, longest season, and most homegrown vibe out of anywhere in CO. BC access and snow removal on the pass would also eventually benefit. Bravo A-Basin

Anonymous said...

Congrats, I take this to mean the investment in terrain expansion and base area improvements over the past few years are helping to drive revenue and Arapahoe Basin is financially healthy. It's nice to see that there are still independent resorts out there that are thriving. Well done.

Anonymous said...

I echo the sentiment on a A-basin/Loveland partnership in any form. Had an Abasin-only season pass for most of college before switching to Loveland about 12 years ago and never looked back. I do miss you though, would love a Divide Pass.

(also, who's Wolf Creek kicking around with these days?)

Mark Bergman said...

This is a real loss to VR and Epic pass holders who love and respect A Basin. I live closer to Vail so I make it my home mountain and cherish the days I get to ski at A-Basin. I only hope this is a sign of financial strength and that the next announcement isn’t a similar partnership with Alterra.

Anonymous said...

I don't make my living from front rangers, ski resorts or any other economic activity up here
.. I live here because I like it here.... please, tell all your front ranger friends never to come here again... myself and many other in the county could not be happier.

....why would anyone want to drive to Denver to go to an airport anyway...

Stay down there please.

Anonymous said...

...that 1st reply is ridiculous...
So many people in the county would much rather have less front rangers come here.... we dont need their money...we can get along fine without them

Anonymous said...

The only people that come up here, leave their arms idling for an hour before BMX opens, smoke dope in the parking lot ... just act like they own the place up here, are front rangers...

Get on a chair, the person next to me asks "where do you live?" I say Summit Cove, they say, well I'm a Native from Cherry Hills ...

Just please stop... you all down there are jealous that we rode and ski daily..

Anonymous said...

If you're the backbone of our economy, why is A Basin jeopardizing your precious dollar when he gets $5 each scan with your keystone- a basin pass......

Anonymous said...

Even back when I had the RMSP+, I'd still ski A-Basin a few times a year because it's that good (along with Loveland, of course). Excited to see where A-Basin takes this!

Anonymous said...

So true...

Not possible the 1st post is a local

Anonymous said...

And I'm sure your son enjoys Big Sky. Whitefish, Red mountain, with light crowds, podwer laps all day and not being worried that some Jerry will hit him......

There is a reason hills charge more money... customer enjoyment.

Not wanting your kid to get hit by some Denver on a snowboard... that only rides 29 days a season ... thinks that they know what they are doing..

We need less people here...

Anonymous said...

VR already coming out with extra buddy passes and ticket packages after this announcement LMFAO!!! VR is scared to death right now especially after not meeting pass sales expectations this season. Slay the dragon ABay, I’ll see you at the beach!!!

Barry Ottley said...

Great mountain and great skiing. A place for real skiers with skiers not money as a motivating force. The abuse of the Veils and like of our national forests for profit only is rather disgusting thing. They need to be called to account of the use of these our forests. Write Congress and the Forest Service to voice you concerns or they will continue to abuse their right to operate on our land.

Anonymous said...

Things I'll never understand:

People who complain about crowds while living in Summit County, yet could live anywhere (job not location dependent).

Crowds in the mountains bother you and you voluntarily choose to live in Summit county of all places? Seriously? Move already! What's holding you back?

Unknown said...

Outstanding...now stay independent. You have the best terrain on the front range and it's not close. Your product sells itself.

Joni Baloney said...

Congratulations! Big move but a good decision, in my opinion. 🎿😎

Anonymous said...

The first post must mean breck, keystone and copper...

Why would frat boys want to hang out at a basin...

Hey,first poster.... we locals in the county dont like breck, keystone either... why dont you come up here Nd hang out with your frat boy friends in Breck...

Unknown said...

A heartbreaking day for local skiing families. As a family of four we ski about 15 days a year at the Basin (half of our Epic Pass days) and love it, but a $400 pass for one mountain is too expensive for us even if the Basin is our favorite mountain. I assume Basin passes will have to go up now though - if Epic was 50% of revenue, then passes will go up to $800 for example. And we can't afford to buy two passes.

Multi-mountain passes have made skiing affordable for a lot of local families. It is sad to have even one hit against that trend.

Kent W said...

Partner with Loveland! You could call it The Pass Pass. Or Passy McPassFace. It would be the mightiest pass in the land.

Anonymous said...

.....I would love to move...

When you have three kids in SCE, SMS and SHS, you can just move your kids..

Apparently, your a 20 year old that has no responsibility or roots.

Anonymous said...

Al, really... comments like this?

Anonymous said...

I'll move in a heartbeat. Want to buy my house I'm upside down in...

How old are you?

Anonymous said...

Great news. Long live independent ski areas.

Anonymous said...

What's holding me back?... 2 kids in summit high school...

After that, you're more than welcome to buy my house... get me out of here...

Anonymous said...

Team up with wolf creek. That would be epic.

Anonymous said...

No, that's why they just cut ties with your precious Vail resorts, Jack ass.

Anonymous said...

Look.at the picture under Al's post! It's A Basin! Beaver bowl! Without vail passholders!!!!!!

Powder laps! Without people making moguls!!

Its a great day for a great ski everyone!

Unknown said...

Great news.. But don't rule out Ikon.. Why not just let Ikon ski the basin midweek Only. No holidays or weekends. Therefore noweekend traffic a d us locals would love it.

Anonymous said...

...guess who's back, back again... basins back, tell a friend...

Jimmy Flim said...

If AB truly stays apart from the big pass groups in an effort to ease up on parking, etc, then good for them. But if they jump on the Ikon bandwagon, then it's simply a rift between VailResorts and AB. And I really doubt VR has played fair with AB over the years. It's really unfortunate, especially since Keystone was such a natural partner 6 miles down the road. I hope VR comes to their senses and proposes a more balanced partnership with AB which also respects AB's wishes to ease up on crowds/parking (limited AB days with Epic Local).

And for all the Summit County 'locals' (90% of which moved from wherever else)... I don't think you know what skiing around here was like before 98'. If you were in your 20's working an average job, you could ski maybe 5 or 6 days a year. Over 10 if you really had the means. Traffic was nowhere near as bad, and neither was parking, but skiing was still expensive as f*$k. And passes cost well over $1,000 at each individual resort. So when you go on your rants about VailResorts (while also saying "I hope they join Ikon!!"), you really don't know entirely what you're talking about. There's pros and cons to most things, and this is one of them. Vail made skiing affordable to a wider audience when it introduced these passes in 98'. And no, it's not the only reason resorts have become crowded. Colorado as a whole has become a lot more crowded.

Another thing... if you moved to Summit County as a young adult, you're a transplant just like all the other transplants and would be transplants you love to chastise. Asshats always want the door shut, only after they get in. I grew up in Denver, skied WP and Keystone as a kid in the 80's and still get up to Summit County at least a few days a month, year round. Nothing more nauseating than you self proclaimed 'locals' who moved here 3 years ago to buy dispensary weed and ski cheap. Without Vail Resorts initiating affordable passes 20 years ago, and without us average Denverites and other interlopers coming up there and supporting the local economy, you'd be scrubbing toilets in Beaver Creek mansions for a week just to pay for 1 day of skiing at Vail.

Anonymous said...

...I was born is the county, 1974. what are you talking about. ..

No one that lives here is from here?

AT said...

Back in the mid 1990's I was asked to attend + spoke at a town hall gathering in Summit City. (Meeting was at the Silverthorne town hall).

At that time VRI was being formed on the New York Stock Exchange.. and wanted to acquire Arapahoe Basin- to build Condos filled with fur coat wearers. Hundreds of locals spoke up against Vail Resorts. Great to see this spirit is still alive and well, despite massive re settlement efforts by Vail over past 10 years.

• Then and now we support Skiing independent. Viva Arapahoe Basin
• Any and all efforts to maintain the majestic special place known as the legend are supported.
• Thank you for your answering many of our prayers.. and leaving the VRI pass
• This day will be marked as a holiday amongst Winter Sports enthusiasts.

Once the snot nosed V pass holders depart, the true "love the sport" (both Skiing + Snowboarding) enthusiasts will return in droves.

1. We are ready to buy the new pass and support your initiatives.
2. Hopefully Camping and Cardboard Derby will Return to the Beach!

A

Cheyenne Wills said...

I was planning to just go with just an abasin pass next year anyway....

Thom Mackris said...

This is the best ski area related news I've heard in over a decade.

andrew b said...

I've been there 20 days this year.Just go to the outback. Stay off River Run and there's no ice anywhere.

Anonymous said...

Well slap my butt and call me Judy. I've been saying all along you would never do it. Way to stay legendary.

Anonymous said...

So happy to be able to give my money directly to you guys again, just like my very first season in Colorado over a decade ago (I probably should update my ID picture though). Stay INDY, resist the urge to become part of another group, although some reciprocal shared days with a couple small places would rock (which you already do, anyway).

Anonymous said...

Kent W. said "Partner with Loveland! You could call it The Pass Pass. Or Passy McPassFace. It would be the mightiest pass in the land. "

Best post of 2019!

Unknown said...

O this makes me so sad!! I do understand how horrible the parking is but couldn't there have been a different solution? Perhaps make the Epic pass holders ride a bus? Limit weekends? I've enjoyed a million years at the Basin with our pass where my hubby works. We've brought many friends and family who do pay, but I guess we'll have to ski apart or elsewhere:( Hope all goes well for you.

Anonymous said...

I have a idea. The early riser lot gets a 20 storie parking garage. If that does not work then blow up and level the professor. That way araphoe can carry the epic and ikon.

Anonymous said...

Great! Next step to improve is BAN SNOWBOARDING!!!

Increase quality and decrease crowding, banning snowboarding is exactly in line with those goals! I was at Alta recently and was surprised how much better it was without snowboarders, the moguls formed up properly and there was no such thing as "catching an edge" on a groomer. Not to mention the absence of crowding at tops and bottoms of lifts and fewer trail sitters. It was so much safer and so much higher quality!

Anonymous said...

So much negativity about ski resorts, locals, front rangers. Please. Summit County is an amazing place but like the rest of the state there are many more people. A Basin in a unique place to ski and will continue to evolve, adapt, and change just like all the other ski areas, and the state for that matter. There is certainly a plan; Al Henceroth and his team are very capable people with lots of experience running a ski resort. They will continue to follow a path that will allow the Basin the thrive. I suspect this change will end up being just great.

Matt said...

Love this comment. Super excited that Arapahoe Basin has the opportunity to take sustainability Sunday to its own unique place. I really hope they consider partnering with other independent resorts. Best way to get the message out there. Once it’s out there people will decide for themselves who they want to support. Greedy CEO’s or a group of small mountains who banded together for a cause, the cause to protect our ski seasons and keep it long and deep! Hopefully larger corps (vail, ikon) will risk losing pass holders until they disband their partnerships and funding with big oil and shady politicians. It all starts with a leap of faith and A basin just took it. Good move Al I will definitely be purchasing an A basin pass next season!

Anonymous said...

I have a idea. Put up a 20 storie parking garage in the early riser lot.
If that does not work you could blow up and level the professor for a new super lot.
With that you could carry the epic and ikon.

Ron Rusnak said...

Good on ya, A/B. I'm sure it will work out well, even though I'll personally have to dig deeper to keep lovin' the Basin. Love's me my Basin! Your deals seem really fair. VR haters can just keep on hating: it's no big deal if they just don't get it. As so for many of the posters here that just seem to love the Basin, but hate on others that love it. Go figure. Meanwhile, the Beavers and Steep Gullys are awesome. Anyone who doesn't realize how amazing the Basin now is with this great expansion just doesn't understand what modern skiing is all about. Here's hoping the Legend stands tall and independent. All best. Ron

Unknown said...

How about a veterans pass for A-Basin. I think that would be a fitting tribute to the founders of this amazing place.

Matt said...

Exactly. The sport is more than just being good enough to do cool stuff and ride everything perfectly. Things happen. Even the best of riders have their chairlift moments and their collisions. It’s about being able to spend a day on a mountain around a bunch of people who all love and enjoy the same thing. Skiing/boarding are more than just sports to a lot of people. The mountain is where I find my peace of mind and everyone I see is my friend when I’m up there.

Anonymous said...

I think this is an awesome choice. Your identity and character sets you apart from Vail and other fancy resorts. I grew up skiing Mad River in VT and A-Basin reminded me of that other unique mountain. Keeping down crowds and creating a local appeal -- whether that local appeal is to those dreaded people driving in from Denver or from folks from right down the road -- is a solid long term strategy even if not the easiest way to make the most money all of the time.

Anonymous said...

He is a ski schooler. They don't understand a lot of things

hikinat59 said...

I work at Aba and am pleased that so many posts are positive, but I'll remind Al that from an employee perspective what is special is how we are treated, and while the benefits of a VR pass are huge, and I'll miss that, a lot, working for RL and the other supervisors is what keeps me coming back. #northyismore'epic'

Anonymous said...

That kind of Lovely partnership would be to kill fir

abg said...

I work at Aba and while I will miss the VR pass what keeps me coming back is how I am treated by my supervisors, the difference from my previous job at Keystone is what is... 'epic'

Unknown said...

Since 1997

Anonymous said...

Since 1997

David said...

Quoth Al- “Many people bark at me that we need to build more parking lots. Well, there’s not room to build more parking lots here. We’re high in a narrow little mountain valley.”

It’s not rocket science. Run more buses from town and you wouldn’t be dependant on massive parking lots. Not saying the split from epic is wrong, but either way the ski areas should be working to decrease the impact of people driving to the mts.

Anonymous said...

I don't understand why folks are saying A basin will raise their pass prices so much. Loveland sells a $450 season pass . . . . and they're independent. Wouldn't A basin be similar? Right now it's $400 - maybe it goes up $50? Winter Park and Copper are around $650, but are much bigger. Look forward to hearing next seasons pass price.



Anonymous said...

David, as much as I agree with you, there is only so much that Al can do. As it has been noted, the Basin is the last stop at the bottom of a high mountain pass. That means all public transit must come in from the west. Until the State gets serious about improving the I-70 corridor with either public transit or simply widening the highway, most people coming from Denver are going to come over the pass, virtually eliminating the desire for public transit. This isn't an Al problem, this is a Polis problem.

Keith Limbird said...

Al, congrats from a loyal Legend skier. The future is so bright . . .

Anonymous said...

My resort did something similar recently and dumped the nearby mega resort pass "benefit". In reality mega resort pass holders over ran us on pow days and weekends. So much better now....you'll see Abasin

Cathy Amenta said...

Wonderful news Alan, thank you for all you do! Maybe join with Monarch Mountain. ;-)
We will see you in April!
All the best, Cathy

Unknown said...

Do a Loveland, Abasin pass. That would be enough for me to jump ship from Vail or Ikon. It would provide great value to us colorado folks and to day pass customers. To all those people stoking the fires of sumit county locals vs front ranger vs tourists etc... You fundamentally don't know the most basic facets of recreational managment. 80% of the people use 20% of the space. Only 2% of people even have the skill to access 98% of the terraine. Also the Revenue is shaped like a pyramid. Day passers/beginners spend the most money per person. Expert big dogs go 10-20 times on a pass, and eat lunch in the parking lot or on the lift. There is plenty of chowder on the west wall, Montezuma double blacks, beavers and east wall even at the most populated times. Plenty of fresh lines at the end of the east wall most of the time. Small lines in beavers and Montezuma lifts most the time. So cutting out Ikon and Vail would create such an amazing experience in terms of lines and snow conditions. Everyone hates long lines at any chair lift. But do you hate it enough to go hike loveland pass and ski that for free with no line??? Thats what I thought. Become a better skier and maybe you'll get more pow and have less lines. Abasin is the good times, good vibes mountain. Take that negative elitist BS to Breck, Vail, and Aspen, where its spread out enough no one can hear you cattle wallow.

Maggie said...

What is it worth being mean to each other, why attack one another? We all live in this beautiful state and how lucky are we that we get to experience the mountains the way that we do! If you can be anything be kind, be kind to one another, be kind to our environment and be happy for the experiences that families and friends get to experience in our beautiful mountains! Yes, there has been more traffic both on the roads and in the mountains, but if we keep fighting each other it is never going to get better. Let’s work together to protect our nature and protect each other. I am excited for A Basin and this is a great business decision for them. To the locals- thank you so much for letting us experience your beautiful county and create memories! I respect you and envy you, I hope one day to live with my family further in the mountains so they can enjoy all that I have been so lucky enough to enjoy. Let’s all just try a little harder to be good, kind, neighbors whether you’re in the front range or the back country- be kind.

Anonymous said...

So move to Utah.

Anonymous said...

Great! Less people on our hill then

Anonymous said...

Funny. Everything you said is wrong

Anonymous said...

Great. Then it sounds like you will buy a new EPIC KEYSTONE PLUS pass next season

Bye

Anonymous said...

We want the price to be high... that will drive the value crowd to less expensive passes, which, in turn, will allow more space on this hill

Anonymous said...

...this year? Or do you mean this season?

Anyway, keystone is the worst period for so many reasons


You can have it.

Anonymous said...

I'll admit I'm an Epic Local pass holder and enjoyed skiing A Basin through that pass. However, I'm very happy with this move. A Basin has become a mad house in recent years. I remember the days of rolling up late morning or afternoon and easily finding parking maybe that will return, we can dream. I'll happily support A Basin with 4 packs or a pass there, which means paying more for all my skiing, but for a better experience. Makes me think my survey answers were actually read!

Amazing to see an organization shun pure volume! Great decision!

Anonymous said...

I think most of us in the county are not happy with the attitude that people from the metro bring up here..
Arrogance at its pinnacle.

By the way, so many county locals dont mind a hike at all.. we backcountry ski.. a great way to get away from the crowds that do exist at ski areas

Anonymous said...

This makes me so happy. Thank you, Arapahoe Basin. Great decision. ❤️

Anonymous said...

Please don't generalize...

"Don you hate it so much to Go hike loveland pass..."


There are many many zones county locals hike and ski...we dont look at the pass as the place to ski as it has become just as busy as a ski area... no, we do not mind hiking for clean lines..we seek them out.

Take a class and buy your gear. You will enjoy it

Anonymous said...

Your the target. Bye bye

Anonymous said...

Hooray! Just stay off the over-priced IKON pass. 38 destinations. Yeahhh - across continents. Not a family pass - make one for A-Basin and we'll be there!

Anonymous said...

Let's see. Loveland has been an independent ski area since 1937 and seems to be doing ok.They have made improvements in the area that have kept the skier visits rising. By A Basin letting go the partnership of the resort that charges over $200 to walk up and buy a ticket doesn't seem like a bad idea to me. I find it funny that a guy who gets his passes for free can talk about resort economics.Oh yeah, ski instructor, need I say more?

Anonymous said...

Great move Al and team! So stoked for you guys!

$499 adult passes + 3 days at several non-Ikon/Epic (but solid) partner resorts. Then sell $99 kids (6-14) passes with the purchase of an adult pass (we need more litter rippers to grow up skiing at A-Basin).

Unknown said...

It's interesting reading all the comments written by people who feel that skiing is their personal expression and only for their enjoyment. I think we all should enjoy our time on the mountain and get along. All ski areas have a diversity of guests with different abilities and on slope behavior. To say the front rangers with epic passes create all the problems at A Basin is selfish and not true. I live in Denver and ski over 50 days every year. I'm in my 161st month of skiing at least once a month so I feel I know skiing. To me some of the joy of skiing is to ride the chairs and talk to people from all over the world that are there to enjoy themselves. I feel that overall skiers are more controlled on the hill as a whole and I don't ski on the runs that most people ski. All the "bitchin" in the blog is funny because it just shows that those people really don't know how to ski a mountain or aren't nearly as good as the think they are. Skiing should always be fun for all and you should do what you can to make it that way! Congratulations A Basin good move and you will do great. I'll be there to enjoy the amazing sport of skiing and all the people who feel the same way. To all you other unhappy people, remember why you ski.

Anonymous said...

I was interested in the discussion on this thread which seems to have degraded into trash talking about which pass and which mountain is best and which town or city is best to live in. Colorado is rapidly growing, skier visits are consistently greater each year, traffic is greater each year, and our economy is improving as well, both making it easier for others to travel to the ski resorts of Colorado and making it easier to find a job in the resort areas and live here. We all choose to ski/ride for one reason or another, whether we live locally or live on the front range or travel here on a once in a lifetime vacation from another state or country. We are all drawn to the mountains, we all have a common bond even if our day to day life outside the skiing/riding community is completely different. We all choose our passes and resorts to ride at for different reasons, some of which are complicated, some of which are financial, or geographical, or social, all of which are respectable, because who doesn't love a day on the mountain. Times of change and times of adversity are the times we need to come together as a community and support each other and hold each other up, not tear each other down. Ride hard, smile lots, enjoy the great outdoors. -B

Anonymous said...

Al,
Please quit your job and get out to Squaw Valley/Alpine Meadows and fix the mess that Ikon has made of my home mountains...ruined by the Ikon pass!! No parking after 8 am, overcrowded lines and slopes, weak skiers, future water parks, etc.
Please Al, come out to Tahoe and tell Ikon to leave !!

IKON = Ikon Killed Our Neighborhood

Anonymous said...

Joining the Powder alliance would be nice but please don't ruin Loveland with a partnership. We don't need all the bro's from the beach spoiling the friendly atmosphere at the Love.

Unknown said...

Ah, so the recent VR announcement of an earlier opening at Keystone and a later closing at Breck didn't come out of thin air. Rather, it was a calculated attempt to coerce A-Basin into continuing the joint agreement on less than favorable terms. I can just imagine some young whippersnappers in the VR Marketing Department pouring over early season temp records and closing day base measurements and that made them think that this whole early/late season thing was easy. And it is easy in a season like the one we are having this year. It's the other 3 out of four winters where pulling of early and late season are much harder at VR properties than the Basin. As for mid-season, with the Beavers expansion the Basin can finally compete on it's own. As a Summit County skier since 1978, I've made each of the ski resorts my "home" area depending on my living situation. I love them all. But dang, getting on the hill at a VR property keeps getting harder and harder. I'll be switching to an A-Basin pass next season to keep it simple!

Anonymous said...

I second this idea. As a part of the A Basin organization, I would really like some additional choices to take my young children to teach them to ski/board without the more challenging terrain.

JMFD said...

Well at least you don't sound elitist or snooty. Did you you have your smuggy eyes closed while typing that entire post ?Please invite me to your next wine and cheese party...

Anonymous said...

Skiing resorts on a Saturday.. that's the problem:0)

JohnnieKav said...

Love this decision! Congratulations A Basin!

Anonymous said...

You feel that skiers are in control?

...its not just the news stories in the summit daily that we hear of people getting badly hurt... talk to employees at ski areas... talk to patrol... they can not disclose what and how many injuries occurr, but they will tell you the number you see as a skier are dramatically lower than what actually occurs...

There are many more sking related injuries and deaths now than in years past.

Anonymous said...

No doubt. Backcountry only on the weekends.... even then, you have to have a secret zone... eg, Mayflower Gulch, Crystal Creek, Pennsylvania Gulch.... just like a ski area now
..

Anonymous said...

As another poster said:

IKON

Ikon Killed Our Neighborhood

Please, no ikon.

Anonymous said...

ABasin is a business that is striving to increase profits (that is what businesses do) and this is part of a plan to increase profits. If it they wanted to make less money (business don’t do that an purpose) or have less “environmental impact” they would simply limit number of daily skiers and/or parking.

Very likely, they have been offered a more attractive package will be on the IKON Pass next season.

The typical IKON pass holder, who generally has higher skiing/riding ability than your typical EPIC pass holder, more closely aligns with the more advanced terrain that ABasin has to offer. The IKON pass is much more heavily weighted with the most challenging resorts in the US, which also is probably more attractive to ABasin.

A higher percentage of IKON passholders have the ability to enjoy ABasin’s advanced/expert terrain. Also, there are many who have bought passes other than the EPIC pass for years now and are now on a pass that may finally include ABasin. Both are reasons to expect similar if not, increased skier visits next year, with parking still being the biggest limiting factor.

I hate to say it, but I expect next season that most or all parking at ABasin will not be free anymore if you show up by yourself or one other person. Ski areas who move in this direction will claim that the reasoning is to reduce the impact on the environment, while in reality it is a business decision to get both more parking revenue AND at the same time getting a higher people per car average. Again, if it was really about the environment, they would prohibit cars with 1 or 2 people instead of somehow it magically being OK for the environment if you pay for parking.

Copy and paste this and email it to yourself next fall and tell me if all of this is not true next season.

Anonymous said...

If Al joins the ikon pass it won't solve the issues he is trying to fix with breaking the partnership with Vail. The thousands of people that are rejoicing right now will become disgruntled and the vibe he is trying to preserve at the Basin will plummet.

Ryan said...

Your reasoning is sound. Although look at Eldora. It is suffering from similar problems with parking and over crowding on weekends and peak ski days.

If Arapahoe Basin joins the IKON Pass, it will probably be 7 days on the full IKON Pass and 5 days on the IKON Base Pass. I do not foresee them going all in with "unlimited" access. That is folly (in my opinion) and completely goes against what Al and A-Basin seem to be striving for.

That, or similar to Loveland there will be a number of recepriocal days at select ski areas on the A-Basin season pass, like 3 at Monarch, 3 at Loveland, 3 at Sunlight, 3 at Powderhorn, 3 at Cooper, similar to the three already offered at Taos.

What we are witnessing is the separation of the local ski hills (Arapahoe Basin, Loveland, Monarch, Cooper, Sunlight, Eldora) from the big ski hills (Vail, Breckenridge, Steamboat, Mammoth, Telluride) in their respective pass alignments I believe. Each catering to a different segment of the ski/ride market. One the destination skier, the other the local skier. Both approaches will be successful in my opinion, but only time will tell.

Keep up the good work Al!

Jimmy Flim said...

Hahahaha.... that is some amazing stuff. Is this whole Epic/Ikon skier ability thing research based? Or is this a theory derived after many bong hits amongst friends at WP?

Jimmy Flim said...

Despite the silly assertion about epic/ikon skier ability, the rest of what you say is correct. VR is a publicly traded company with one goal in mind. And as much as everyone would like to think of AB as a good ol' mom n' pop ski area, it's owned by a publicly traded company. They're after revenue as well. The only reason they ditched VR is likely because VR was royally screwing them over.

Anonymous said...

The self-appointed Mayor of Advanced Terrain up there hasn't thought it through.

Yes possibly for IKON BUT with:
a) Limited Days (say 5)
b) Only weekdays

That solves 95% problems for A-Basin and still gets some of those monkeys on the mountain. In other words still good traffic and exposure but when it is needed and welcomed.

That said, I think they go it alone for a year and see how things shake out. If something not in the works by now it isn't going to happen in the next few weeks. Not to say if IKON passholders find that benefit on their pass next season it wouldn't be welcomed with open arms.

Anonymous said...

If A-Basin just dumps EPIC to go with IKON then it confirms this place has sold-out and Colorado has truly lost is roots to skiing.

That said, places in UT, WY, and MT look increasingly attractive to destination skiers who see what a junk show CO skiing has become.

Places in the Midwest and Northeast are far more low-key than what has manifested itself in CO skiing in the past few years.

Anonymous said...

No Doubt that CO has become something much different than it was 20 years ago.

Hopefully this move by the ownership will change the recent dynamic that has been developing over the past few years.

Powder Mountain with 8,500 acres only allows 2,000 total bodies on the hill a day. How nice would that be?



Anonymous said...

I'm sure all the skier deaths are covered up and of course there are more accidents, there are more skiers.Take a look at the back country and you will see that. There's usually not a large crowd of out of control people that cause those problems but there are lots more of them happening now because of the numbers. Not all skiers and boarders are in control but most of them are. I'm pretty sure that's the way it's always been.

Doug Park said...

Go Big... GAME ON!!!!!

Anonymous said...

I have worked at a Summit ski area for 15 years. (East facing ski area. ;)

There have been many more injuries in the past few years I have seen. It jas not always been this way.

More people on the hill, more skiers that are not in control, more skiers that should spend more time at the learning area

The person who posted Fed 20th at 12:28pm is spot on.

Arham R said...

Skier from VA checking in. I fly out at least 3-4 times during a season to solely ski ABasin. Stated two years ago an have been addicted, I think the whole feel overall of CO is changing due to it being so cheap to fly into- one of the reasons I chose to visit you guys oppose to resorts closer to me but rather pay $150/round trip to CO oppose to $300 to Vermont. I’m heading back in April and hope to catch some good turns!! Keep it up AL you’re a Legend that’s keeping The Legend alive! Keep it up!! And hope to see the legend soon!!!

Unknown said...

My family of 11 will return in a few weeks Lord willing for the 3rd consecutive year, because of your affordability with your 4 pak and what you offer for kids (kid ski free). Your service has been great and your ski school instructors great!
I hope that your future endeavors will be successful and you keep in mind is budget friendly families from out of state.

Anonymous said...

I grew up skiing Colorado. We started in the early 90's and have continued. Today, my family of 11 will return to ABasin in a few weeks, Lord willing, for the 3rd consecutive year, because of your affordability with your 4 pak and what you offer for kids (kid ski free). Your service has been great and your ski school instructors great!
I hope that your future endeavors will be successful and you keep in mind is budget friendly families from out of state.

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