Tuesday, August 6, 2019

Mountain Collective


Today Arapahoe Basin joins the Mountain Collective. Some very exciting news for Arapahoe Basin Full Season Pass Holders is that they will receive lift tickets for 50% off window price at all Mountain Collective Resorts.

Few resorts have the challenge, the adventure, the high alpine environment and the culture of Arapahoe Basin. We chose Mountain Collective because their resorts do. This pass offers two days at each of 18 different resorts in the US, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Japan and Chile. These resorts include Aspen Snowmass, Alta, Snowbird, The Remarkables, Lake Louise, Mammoth, Niseko, Jackson Hole, Taos, Thredbo, Valle Nevado and more. Additionally, after using their two free days at a member resort, Mountain Collective pass holders get lift tickets for 50% off window price.

For skiers and riders that plan on visiting a variety of resorts throughout the winter, this is a great pass offering ski days at resorts around The Rockies, The US and the world. Folks that connect with A-Basin will love riding our new partner resorts. Imagine the week long, multi-resort ski trips you could do with this pass. An Arapahoe Basin, Aspen Snowmass and Taos loop sounds pretty good to me. Go to mountaincollective.com for more details.

Stay tuned for more A-Basin Pass Holder news later in the week.


54 comments:

Dave C. said...

Epic out, IKON and now Mountain Collective in??? My mind is just blown, I don't even know what to think.

John said...

Seriously? Being a Abasin pass holder is loosing its value. I dont feel like you all have kept your base (season pass holders) in mind these decisions this year. What other passes are you guys going to jump on next? I speak for a lot of people when I say I am starting regret buying an Abasin pass.

Anonymous said...

loosing value ie: gaining 50% off at sweet spots.

bleachlpb said...

Fingers crossed A Basin pass holder news is amazing.

Anonymous said...

I'm glad to see you are part of Ikon! I gave up on the EPIC years ago. Vail (and all their stuff) have gone downhill in terms of staff and overcrowding.

See you out there before you know it!

Anonymous said...

How can you not be happy with joining Mountain Collective? This gives you some great options. I get the mega pass disdain but this announcement is pretty good.

Rob said...

Adding limited or blacked-out days with other passes is a far cry from the unlimited access Epic pass holders years prior.

Anonymous said...

Great news! Puts JH around $75-80 and Asspen at $90 or so per day. Works for me. I don't think we will see a huge bump in skier traffic due to this addition as well.

Looking forward to the next announcement later this week!

Mike Jones said...

Mountain Collective is great, lots of options at sweet areas. The crowds will obiviously be bigger with IKON vs Abasin stand alone pass. However, I doubt the crowds will be too much more with Mountain Collective and IKON, vs just IKON.
IMO, we knew Abasin was joining a pass agreement, too bad it wasn't JUST the Mountain Collective.

Anonymous said...

Ikon and mountain collective have a lot of the same areas on both passes.

Anonymous said...

Actually assures some Ikon pass holders, e.g. Squaw Ikon pass holders, can in fact now get 7 or 9 days with 50% after that. The good thing could be distance. How many people from the Aspen area would actually come ski A Basin that much? Doesn't give frangers additional days.

tball said...

As an A-basin fanboy and pass holder, I just want somewhere to park. Please, Al?

Come early or come late is a terrible customer experience not just for the many turned away, but also for those of us who change our plans or have to ski elsewhere because of the lack of parking capacity at A-basin.

Ryan said...

Awesome news! I love seeing how A-Basin is aligning itself with groups of resorts that are like minded and refuse to be homogenized by a ski conglomerage, which is what it felt was beginning to happen with the relationship with Vail Resorts and the Epic Pass.

As an A-Basin season pass holder, I can't wait to see what other news is coming down the pipeline later this week. My fingers are crossed for a few bonus days at Loveland, Monarch, or Copper.

As always keep up the good work Al. See you in October.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, but if you want to be a "fan boy" at one of the most unique, popular and accessible Front Range resorts then you better get used to the full "experience" which includes the crowds. Last I checked no resorts are adding "Fan Boy Only" parking. Try one of those other Mountain Collective resorts and maybe give A-basin a bit of relief from their overly abundant fan boy.

Anonymous said...

So much for "we want to keep the local culture" narrative. FAIL!

Anonymous said...

How is this attractive to the local pass holder, who has zero desire to get 50% of a lift ticket at colloctive ski somewhere, USA resort, that they know they will never even plan to go to??

SHE: Honey, I just bought us a new boat cover and saved us 50% off the price. Isn't that awesome?

HE: We don't have a boat . . .

Anonymous said...

On first read I though it was great that I'd be getting two free days at Aspen and the other Mountain Collective resorts. But it's pretty clear to get the two free days at TMC resorts you'd need to own that pass.

I'm sure for many passholders the half off window price at some great mountains will have value and feel like an upgrade. But for many others (most?) the whole point of buying a season pass is to keep the cost per day low. Three free days at Taos are great. Fifty percent off at Aspen is not.

LF said...

I specifically planned on never getting an A Basin season pass again because of the parking mess and pay parking situation that happened last year. But I changed my mind when I heard they split from the Epic Pass and purchased my pass for next season already. Now that I hear the Ikon passholders will be able to use A Basin, I am sorry I spent the money. Even with limited days, it will still be a hazardous overcrowded mess at A Basin.

Ed Kerkhover said...

I have butterflies just thinking about it (hint hint)

Luke Durkin said...

Awesome for A-Basin Pass Holders to see that Mtn Collective Reciprocity (50% off at Mtn Collective areas) is included, not an upgrade!!! In the future will A-Basin do it like Taos where you can buy a standard/cheaper pass w/o Mtn Collective Reciprocity and have that as an upgrade option? (It's a great deal! but for people with Ikon + A-Basin it's largely redundant.)

I thought Taos also has a Mtn Collective add-on option where you can essentially buy Mtn Collective at a discount (I might be incorrectly remembering that. They don't have pass sales on right now so I can't check.)

Anonymous said...

For those wondering. Big Sky, Aspen & Jackson have dispelled this myth that Ikon has brought crowding. If I remember correctly going IKON was a single-digit % increase in skier visits factoring in people who were already skiing there on a pass like Mtn Collective that just switched to IKON. The vast majority of increased skier visits were locals skiing more days. A-Basin is a bit different since it's a commuter area, not a vacation-destination resort. Going IKON (5/7 days, not unlimited!) & Mtn Collective (2 days) should still see a massive decrease in crowding. I think getting rid of that ultra-cheap A-Basin/Keysonte pass so many people got is the biggest factor. I'm curious how many of A-Basins visitors were on each of the different Epic Passes.

Keith L. said...


The Goose & the Golden Egg - Part 1

There was once a Countryman who possessed the most wonderful Goose you can imagine, for every day when he visited the nest, the Goose had laid a beautiful, glittering, golden egg.

The Countryman took the eggs to market and soon began to get rich. But it was not long before he grew impatient with the Goose because she gave him only a single golden egg a day. He was not getting rich fast enough.

Then one day, after he had finished counting his money, the idea came to him that he could get all the golden eggs at once by killing the Goose and cutting it open. But when the deed was done, not a single golden egg did he find, and his precious Goose was dead.

Those who have plenty want more and so lose all they have.

Keith L. said...

The goose and the golden egg - part 2

You might think I'm implying that Al is the countryman, and he has killed the goose. But, no you're wrong.

The goose is Arapahoe Basin, and the golden egg is each day that we get to ski with very little crowds around us. All day long skiing in the Beavers/SG and most of the day in Zuma and the East wall, I often am skiing by myslef.

The way to kill the goose is to "fix the parking problem." With more parking, our beloved slopes will be more like Breck or Keystone or Vail or Aspen. More parking will kill the goose that laid the golden egg.

Al, please don't fix the parking problem.

Anonymous said...

How is this attractive to the local pass holder, who has zero desire to get 50% of a lift ticket at collective ski somewhere, USA resort, that they know they will never even plan to go to??

SHE: Honey, I just bought us a new boat cover and saved us 50% off the price. Isn't that awesome?

HE: We don't have a boat . . .

LF said...

Amen - don’t fix the parking problem - but - don’t increase the skier traffic either. Crowding on the hills is more of a concern than the parking issue - from a safety perspective. I would rather pay more for the stand alone pass and have a little bit more elbow room when I ski.

LF said...

PS - Al - I bought an A Basin Pass to ski A Basin. I don’t want to ski the other Mountain Collective areas. That is why I have never owned an Ikon nor an Epic Pass. I am trying to ski at less crowded and resort-y areas, and that is why A Basin and Loveland are my mainstays.

LF said...

Right.

RMurphy said...

For those concerned, almost no one holds an Ikon and a Collective pass. It usually doesn't make sense if you want that many days at a non home mountain to buy both instead of a frequency card or season pass at said other mountain.

Anonymous said...

That's not the point Rob.
Dream should have directed Al to announce the partnerships prior to season pass sales for 19-20
Transparency would have been nice

Anonymous said...

I live in Summit Cove, I don't take ski vacations, how does this help me after I bought passes for my family at A Basin? This is just adding even more bodies on the hill.

Anonymous said...

You are wrong. Have you been to JH since Ikon?

https://www.jhnewsandguide.com/news/town_county/riled-locals-blame-ikon-pass-for-resort-crowding/article_74e0e79c-ed83-5a4f-b5b6-408b365126b0.html

Anonymous said...

Exactly.

Only option in Summit County from now on is; spend your pass money on an Avi 1 course, float pack, probe, beacon and shovel
Backcountry skiing and riding is the only option now

Anonymous said...

So what happened to your original line of "the mountain is too crowded so we're going solo"?
It was obvious from the start that it was all about the money and Epic wanting a bigger piece. Why lie about it?

Anonymous said...

Who ever thinks ikon only had single digit gains at partner resorts, please fact check before you defend that statement

"Spokeswoman Anna Cole said Ikon passholders account for 14 percent of skier days so far this season. Sometimes that figure is much lower, like on blackout days, so other times it must be higher. Resort officials declined to provide data for specific dates"

LF said...

Same for us - we live in Summit and basically ski here.

LF said...

Agreed. If I had the chance to get a refund on my A Basin Pass, I would like to do that. I had toyed with buying a pass somewhere else instead, after last season’s debacle at A Basin - but had decided to give A Basin another chance after they split from Epic. I wasn’t counting on A Basin joining another group pass situation. When I saw the rates for A Basin season passes jump up (a lot!) - I wrongly assumed this meant this is how they were going to be able to maintain, without being part of a big group.

LF said...

You speak for me and my husband as well.

LF said...

I heard that there are over 250,000 Ikon Passes out there and who knows how many Mtn Collectives. If only 100k skiers who have those passes visit A Basin and ski just 5 out of their 7 days - that is still half a million more visits. There’s no way that this is NOT going to be a problem - especially in terms of crowding on the hill and in the lodge.

Unknown said...

It's getting tough to park at any of those spots too.

People for the Preservation of Steep Gullys #3 and #5 said...

So much whining it sounds like recess got cancelled! After skiing 60+ days all fri/sat/sun last season I can say the mountain is simply not crowded and anyone who thinks it is must have been riding the Hog Bowl. The parking is difficult...on weekends...at peak times, but as some have pointed out that limits the people on the hill, which makes the skiing better. Since I assume most came for a day of skiing and not a day of parking that seems like a good compromise. Looking forward to getting back to what this comment section is really for, demanding the opening of the East Wall in November.

Anonymous said...

Agreed. Your 100% right. Parking for backcountry riding and skiing is getting tight (I dont want to mention the zones for fear of broadcasting)
In addition to the parking, and more importantly, people in the backcountry are not being safe, putting all in the area at risk. Just because your friends have the gear and want to have an "epic powder day dude" does not mean you should drive up here from Golden and ride.
We have to avoid some areas now because people are so careless with terrain choice, traversing across a loaded snow field with 500' vert above them with a loaded cornice.

Really, get the education before you head to the backcountry. For you and your families sake. It's not a game, its life and death.

Harkin said...

The complaining and nonsense is really getting out of control here. The Basin has made great strides towards improving the skier experience with all the capital improvements over past several years and you must hand it to the staff for making it all happen. Adding more parking (which doesn’t seem possible) isn’t going to help with some of the other skier experience problems the Basin is trying to help fix. If parking is added, the lodges will need to have additions put on to add more rest rooms and more tables for seating Mountain operations will need to add more chair lifts so you’re not standing in a lift line where you wish you had a book to read. The mountain has a carrying capacity and the limited parking helps keep that in check. Let’s see how the addition of the Ikon and Collective passes pan out with their limited days and then maybe just maybe some other mtn changes will need to be made. But the one and only thing that could make the Basin better now is adding a few guns to the East Wall so we can have Thanksgiving dinner on Borgy rock.

Anonymous said...

LF... we are in the same boat..
We live in Dillon Valley, bought a basin season passes in June. We, only now, truly regret our choice.

Sunny said...

Harkins going to getting jiggy without it this winter. He just won't stop complaining about people who bought Abasin passes. Ballet skiing sucks anyways.

Anonymous said...

Last year was a big snow year = big crowds. That's a huge driver in visits in the industry. Everyone relax, it's not like they're building condos at the base. More parking would just make it worse (paved parking would be nice, or at least smoothing out the pot holes each fall) Maybe rf scanners this year?? This year is a big experiment, so fill your beaker with an IPA and try to enjoy it.

Dan said...

We'll all just have to wait and see.

Let's put it this way,

It WILL NOT be as busy as it was this year, or last year.... so no matter what, next season should be great from a crowd perspective.

strobes said...

Read another article, or the same one maybe, where JH officials do the math and figure that some of the ikon people would have been there anyways and it's about a 9 percent increase overall, but 14% of the total is ikon. The math is possible

strobes said...

Hey LF, Al hinted quite clearly that a basin was going to join another pass program when he said that the only way to get more than 7 days in a pass to a basin is to get the full a basin season pass. the resorts like people like you that don't travel to use their full pass benefits

Anonymous said...

No to pavement! Yuck! How bout just slowing down? You are not gaining any time by hauling ass through the parking lot. No to rf scanners! We ski with friends at ABasin or we used to anyway. Say hi and thank you to your lift op! They are some of the hardest working and least appreciated people on the mountain and don't need crap from you about having to pull your pass out. Maybe make a new friend? Once the lifties get to know you you'll barely get scanned.

Anonymous said...

Strobs, guess we have to read between the lines to get the full picture
Just would have been nice to be fully transparent from the get go, that's all


Anonymous said...

Holy Sh*t lotta whining in here....go on ahead and leave then...obviously the people whining are not riding up high at A Basin...hence their crowd issues. Yeah the lower mountain is crowded...learn how to ski/ride and then come back when you know what you are doing.

Yeesh!

Anonymous said...

Should have at least negotiated 2 days free at any of their resorts. Not just 1/2 off $200 lift tickets. Horrible deal. Who is negotiating this stuff? They get a basin for free for 2 days. 4 packs and deals the collective resorts offer in the fall are way cheaper then 1/2 off a lift ticket.

Anonymous said...

1/2 off is the standard for all Mtn Collective resorts, which is not going to be negotiable. Besides Aspen, which areas have tickets approaching $200? Taos, Alta, Snowbird were in the $110 to $135 range last year, Jackson and Big Sky were around $150. None offered more than 50% off, usually 40% or less depending on time of year. So yes it is a good deal since you can stay flexible and don't have to commit to more expensive tickets at other areas in the fall. In 2017-18 when little snow fell in Colorado I can tell you many Colorado Collective and Aspen passholders headed north to where there was plenty of good snow.

I also would not call it 2 "free" days - Collective holders probably average around 8 to 10 ski days for $450. A-Basin collects their share based on how many Collective visits they have. I guess A-Basin passholders have unlimited free days there under your logic.

Unknown said...

Alan, What will be the future of Team Summit at Arapahoe Basin with this new pass agreement? It would be a big hit to A-Basins vibe to not see the kids, coaches, and parents ripping around the mountain every weekend. I know many parents who can't afford both A-Basin and epic passes.