Wednesday, May 31, 2017

The Future of Pallavicini Lift

I continue to receive questions about the future of Pali Lift. Eventually, all lifts reach an age when they need substantial renovation or replacement. Installed in 1978, Pali is in her Golden Years. While an exact date has not been set, we anticipate replacing the double chairlift in the next few years. We plan on replacing the lift with another double chairlift in the exact same location. The new lift will likely have a galvanized finish versus current Pali's shiny black finish. Other than that, and being brand new, the next Pali Lift will perform and feel very much like the old Pali Lift. We consciously made the decision to keep that special, classic, double chair, intimate feel. I know some people would like to see a detachable quad there but, we chose to keep this "Classic Colorado Experience."

When the time comes, we do plan on selling the old chairs. Exactly when and how has not yet been determined. When we do know, we will make sure you know. 



67 comments:

Steven Sadowsky said...

The nostalgic part of me likes this but the rational part of me hates this. Can we at least get a high speed!?

Charlie Vogel said...

This is the correct decision. Thank you!

Joseph Taylor said...

Never change Pali!

Anonymous said...

Why not meet in the middle? Move Lenawee to Pali, then replace Lenawee with a high speed quad :)

michael Theroux said...

If you sell the chairs I want one!!

Bevan Frost said...

A rare mentality in ski area management! Bravo

Turbos mom said...

Steven Sadowski, 7 minutes, 1200 verticle. Better than most high speeds

Anonymous said...

Terrible. Make it a quad.

Dave Carey said...

I want you a basin. This makes me so happy. While we're at it, let's take you off the epic pass so that things stay real at a bay. I'd pay more for the season pass just BC your awesome!

Anonymous said...

Please install a modern detachable quad chair with a wind cover on it.

Anonymous said...

Glad you're keeping it as a slow double. Good conversations and not too fast so you can still light one up!

Barry Cibula said...

High speed just meas more skiers around you on the run. Good call!

Kim Hynes said...

Relax, enjoy the time with your chair partner! If you ski a few pali's, you will appreciate the speed of which it goes.

Unknown said...

Hell no. Go to keystone

Brad Young said...

Thank you for not messing with perfection. You folks that want a fast lift, please do go ride on somewhere else. Peace out!!!0

Anonymous said...

Check Craigslist for ski chairs for sale!

andrew b said...

Just thinking 7 minutes for 1200 feet is pretty terrible. I dig Pali too, but there's no way to say that isn't slow. Keystone, just next door, has Montezuma and Ruby lifts at 1600 ft in 6 minutes, the Summit Express and Gondola doing 2200 in under 10 minutes, and the blazing fast Santiago lift at 1600 feet in under five minutes. Even the Wayback is 7 minutes for 1300 feet. Pali could easily, happily be upgraded, I'd say.

Dustin Roth said...

None of which have a single double black let alone 10+!

Unknown said...

Love the decision to keep this a double. Nice to see this type of decision, one example of what makes this place the Legend

Ken said...

Triple, triple, triple, still slow but triple

Anonymous said...

Add a safety bar...

Anonymous said...

Slow double chair with no safety bar is the only thing that should ever sit on Pali - good call

Anonymous said...

I love the Pali lift! Don't make it faster, the ride up is so wonderful! But please put in a sissy bar. Yes, this girl's afraid of heights.

Anonymous said...

Faster lift means more people on the slopes.

joe casselberry said...

bravo al and staff . . . me likes it just the way it is. and thank you all for reopening pali and terrain after that big storm . . . what a treat !!

Anonymous said...

I like all the lift comparisons. But if your don't like Pali how it is or is going to be, then go to the other resorts. Thank you for coming by, have a nice day.

Anonymous said...

Have fun at Keystone.

Unknown said...

I think you guys that are complaining are forgetting that with the addition of The Beavers, it should help reduce the lift line on Pali. You guys should be ecstatic that A Basin cares more about your ski experience than they do about selling as many tickets as possible or fitting as many people on the mountain as possible like Vail Properties.

Anonymous said...

Excellent decision, Al. Sometimes, high-speed is not the answer, and as a Midwest guy, I think Coloradoans and others will appreciate it in time, especially on powder days - it will be skied out that much slower. The current 7/1200 speed is really not that bad, and will likely be slightly improved by a new motor, unless you choose to limit the speed. Aspen replaced the (admittedly godawful) Alpine Springs double at Snowmass last year with the 'High Alpine' high-speed quad, and while it cut the ride time in half, it doubled the skier volume in an area that had previously been mostly limited to experts, in part because they also added another intermediate slope.

As for Keystone, to get to most of the good stuff, you have to hike or snowcat up there.

Anonymous said...

Ditto!!!!!

Kevin from Golden said...

Dibs on a chair! And good call on keeping the same configuration. Pali quality has improved since Zuma took the pressure off.

And if you want Keystone, go to Keystone.

Alan Henceroth - COO said...

The new lift, in fact any new lift, will have a safety bar.

Anonymous said...

Perfect!

Joseph Tatar said...

You should start a chairlift auction list...

Unknown said...

Go to Vail.

Dan said...

Mad respect Al. ABasin is an experience unlike others. Keeping it the way it's been in order to protect that experience is awesome. Thank you!

Anonymous said...

Thank you for keeping the chair the same!!!! Just made my day and hopefully my next 20 years!

Steve Davimos said...

Please put safety bars on your new chair lift and all lifts. Their is nothing scarier than a strong wind gust on a snowy seat having you hold on for dear life in freezing weather. Usually I just take a different lift with a safety bar and miss out on the different terrain to avoid a chair with no safety bar. Please install safety bars for the safety of your paying customers. Thanks Steve Davimos

Anonymous said...

This is another poor decision bfor Arapahoe Basin. Decisions seem to be motivated by not putting money into the mountain, and just into your pocket. Eventually these decisions with catch up to Arapahoe Basin. Al if you want your legacy to be cheap, and behind the times proceed with current plans.

Anonymous said...

Alan, I am sending you a blank check to prepay for one of the chairs! TeleLeslie

dwylde said...

It's not always about how fast you can get up the hill, how many people can be transported in mass up the hill or how fast you can get down the hill. Just sit back for 7 minutes and enjoy the ride, the view, the conversation, the rest on your legs, the peace, the sounds of the "chairlift song" of the wind in the trees, people's voices as you hear them whoop and holler in joy, the rattle of the chair as you pass the over the towers, take in the opportunity to "be in the moment" and really appreciate the mountain, the experience and one of the reasons why many of us head to the mountain for skiing. Thank you A-Bay for keeping it sacred.

Anonymous said...

Hells yes! Keeping it real, Al, and we thank you.

Anonymous said...

quit talking about "classic Colorado", that went out the door a long time ago when you decided it was best to just pack the ski area with people like the vail resorts you wish you were. you have no vision of your own or worse off...no vision of what a-bay should be in the future. just hanging on to put another buck in your pocket tomorrow. that is very normal business in this day and age...so is your marketing attempt of "classic Colorado";only thing is you aren't fooling anybody.

Anonymous said...

Anyone advocating for a HSQ on Pali just doesn't get it.

Ski areas in Colorado where the main focus is skiing are a dying breed. Glad to see A-Basin staying the course on this one.

Tim Griffin said...

Wind covers only act as sails in high winds, and would only serve to make Pali run slower during high winds.

Nope, a fixed grip double running a little over 500 fpm will do just fine.

Rich said...

The other option albeit more expensive would be a high speed double or triple with half the # of chairs that one would typically have, but another slow double is really fine with me. One thing I hate, bubble-chairs, yuck!

Mike Smith said...

Another one to say thanks for keeping Pali a double, and thanks to all of staff for keeping A Basin great.

Anonymous said...

Very well said, dwylde!!

Anonymous said...

Will there be a safety bar? I tend to have a firm grip on my son when we ride pali.

Clintbacca said...

Haha, me too ! I love riding but I hate chairs with no bar. : D

Clintbacca said...

Awesome !!! Makes me feel better about teaching my daughter to rip Maim Street in a few years.

Tim Zander said...

Good on for keeping pali a double(or even drop it to a single ;). I also want a chair when they go up for sale. I got married there and love it. Keep it real.

Anonymous said...

A triple would be more forward-thinking... A detachable isn't called for there, I agree that Lanwee should be the next detachable at some point, then Montezuma if it's possible to get access in there. Hopefully the new lift will be a little faster at least, and with a safety bar of course. If it's faster that means less time in the stinky smoke from selfish dopes smoking illegally on the lifts.

andrew b said...

Thanks anonymous. Keystone is fun, but so is A basin. I live in summit county and am still skiing and skinning up a basin this year. I'm not some Gaper. It would just be better to get up the mountain quicker.

Anonymous said...

You should check Craigslist

Turbos mom said...

Troll got ya

Turbos mom said...

Thankfully Al makes those calls, not you.

uglyrnrboy said...

Al...the decision to keep the Pali the same as it is now is perfect. Anything else would be disastrous for what A-Basin is all about. If people want high speed chairs that cycle people up and down the mountain quicker they should go to Breck or Keystone...

Boardski said...

I have always thought upgrading Lenawee to high speed detachable and relocating the current triple to become the new Pallivicinni would be an excellent improvement. This would take care of two issues, making Pali a bit younger and preventing overcrowding at Lenawee after Norway is removed with no replacement.

Ed Kerkhover said...

Wise decision, just another example of the forward thinking prevalent in management.

Anonymous said...

Wah wah wah... I have to share MY mountain.

Anonymous said...

Why not put the classic double up from the bottom of norway to the top of pallavicini, that way there is less ride time if you add up the length of black mtn express and the new lift, it would probably be faster, it would also be cheaper because there would be less people on the lift at a time, therefore you could use a lower hp motor, and you cut on costs for towers and chairs

Rick Pratt said...

No need for a high speed but a triple would be a nice middle option. I personally like the 7 minute rest but with the Beavers and on the busy days 50% increase in capacity would be nice. This also opens up a nice single lane.

Anonymous said...

And please put a footrest on the safety bar to help out old knees.

Anonymous said...

Who will build the new lift?

Anonymous said...

A double running near 500fpm is wonderful ride and doesn't overcrowd slopes. Quads SUCK!!!

Avery Schlueter said...

You should compromise and install a detached high speed double like they have at Aspen.