Alan,That is a great view. Let's think twice about the Master Development Plan to save views like that. We all love the Basin for what it is, and that includes hike-to Beavers terrain. Just take a look at the difficulty Breck is having because of their attempt to expand their boundaries. No real A-Basin skier wants to see you guys have to fight the same fight or wants to have to fight against the Basin like we did with Breck.
That's hippie talk.
i think the expansion is a great move, and i would consider myself a real abasin skier. there is plenty of side country to go around. as long as abasin doesnt lose its notorious character, more terrain just gets me stoked!
Ski area expansion does not despoil the view. Condos do. I don't know what the criteria are for "real" a-basin skier, but I know there are plenty of us who love what we see in the MDP and know that when a-basin makes improvements they do it in a careful, thoughtful manner that doesn't detract from the unique character than we all (real and faux a-basin skiers) have come to love.
I'm a real Basin skier and I'm all for the development. I give them major credit for doing this instead of new condos or wifi heated gondolas. I know ABasin and Alan will do this right.
Did someone compare Breck to A Basin? Totally different mountains and scene.Are you the same guy that talks about the "good old days to his friends?" But just graduated high school?Haters always gonna hate
I'm a real A-Basin skier too....I think? Or am I merely a hologram or a dream within a dream. This concept of a "real A-Basin skier" has made it all so very confusing.
A-Basin needs to do what it can to stay competitve, while also being thoughtful of its expansion. If it fails to compete, it will eventually fail. If it fails, it will be lapped up by a developer who will turn it into the next Breck or Keystone. A little development can keep them financially valid for many more years to come. And this comes from a guy who LOVES the smallness of A-Basin.
Just remember that you started off using lifts, and when you get old and cranky(ier) you'll be thankful for them again. We can't all be as 'good' as you, but we're still allowed to enjoy the Basin.
That first comment is right. Apparently everyone else needs to do a better job reading, he says that the real A-basin skiers don't want to have to fight with the expansion the same way Summit locals just fought the Breck expansion because expansion is inherently environmentally damaging. Though none of the rest of you people commenting probably understand any part of that fight that since you are probably living in Denver claiming A-basin is your home mountain.
Hey SB,Get a life please!I live in Denver and even I am smart enough to not draw comparisons between A-Basin and Breck. "Real A-B skiers" can moan all they want, they aren't going to stop a lift in the Beavers if A-B wants to go through with it. Thanks for being so noble though, what with the environmental concern and all. I'm sure that's what the real skiers are worried about, not someone cutting up their snow.
Gee, my guess is that without non-locals bringing their dollars, there wouldn't be any skiing in Summit County. I know we are gapers and we create lines, traffic jams and parking hassles, but very few locals would be able to live the lives they do without tourists. It's about balance. A modest expansion of the county's smallest ski area isn't going to wreck everything.
I never got the peak 6 fight. It is more terrain. Ty Bergve envisioned Breck ski area stretching from peak 1 to peak 10. Consider yourselves lucky. The fight always seemed more about some feisty locals wanting to save that sidecountry for themselves. The Breck problem is more of town infrastructure rather than terrain expansion. After all, we are talking one lift, a few trails and 9 months a year it is empty and the moose, deer, and elk can walk around as much as they'd enjoy.
BTW....what exactly are the real a-basin skiers fighting? what is their core opposition to the Beavers becoming reality. Any (honest) answers appreciated.
Abe, the real objection to a lift in the Beavers is environmental degradation. Look up the Ski Area Citizens Coalition, it ranks ski resorts from most environmentally friendly to least. Breck has consistently been among the worst and one of the reasons is that expansion is one thing that really hurts a ski area's score. The environmental repercussions of expansion are huge. Regardless of what is said above, the expansion does not just affect the area for 3 months (obviously A-Basin' season is usually at least 9 months and Breck's is usually at least 7). Even if it was only 3 months as suggested, mountain lions rely on those corridors for hunting year round (I'm referring to Breck right now). I agree with SB, this has nothing to do with wanting powder to ourselves (it's not like the short hike to the Beavers keeps front rangers out anyway), it's about thinking that A-Basin is different. The fight we had with Breck was not fun (and is still on going) and that place isn't even a great ski area, I'd hate to see A-Basin make the same mistake which would mean locals showing up at forest service meetings and beginning to see The Basin as an enemy. The Basin should be above the cheap ploys of Vail Resorts.
I would argue that "the country's smallest ski area" award would have to go to Cloudmont in Alabama. Just sayin... ;)
Who gives a crap about the mountain lion. That thing would chew my face off if it got the chance. I need to get my downhill on free of avys. Honestly it is like 400 acres basically bordering Hwy 6. Not exactly prime mtn lion country and certainly undisturbed 8 mos per year. This also seems more about protecting sidecountry for those who would rather lift up and ski down.I mean honestly the si areas grab some extra acreage here and there, but ther is plenty of forest to backcountry ski and run from mtn lions.
Ed, yes Breck is open 5 1/2 months, but a lot of areas open later and close earlier. Peak 6 likely would see very little use outside of jan, feb, mar.If you can honestly say you've never ridden Montezuma Bowl (and the lift back up) then you practice what u preach....otherwise I'm not buying it. Those sick steeps off the cornice are a blast and I, for one, am glad there is blasting going on to make it safer.Have u ever skied the Beavers? If so, u should stop or, by your argument the Basin should close the gate. Having people back there does nothing but hurt the mountain lion population. true?
I think a little snow would solve all our arguing.
Very interesting discussion. Again, I welcome all views. There was comment I did not post. One person, did cross the line about being mean and hurtful towards others. Different opinions are great to have. We can all do that without calling people names.
Holster Abe, the dude said 'county' not 'country'
If you truly believe it's an environmental issue, then you should never ski at any developed area. To do so is hypocritical. By skiing there, you're supporting their existence and expansion.If you're so worried about the environment...then surely you're a carbon-neutral person at worst. And surely you don't use any kind of motorized travel in the mountains.
Well said Phil. I agree....if the environmental concern is the core of the issue then Ed better well be short for Ed Begley Jr. Skins up, shooshes down and then pilots his 'sail car' back to his off grid house to bath in collected rainwater.
If you can ski it without a lift, you are also "effecting" the mountain lions. You are just upset because you cant "Bro brag" to your friends anymore about some run you had that was amazing that nobody sawMy father always told me not to throw stones in glass houses
I've got to tell you the discussion is great. I'm your worst enemy though, I fly in from KC, drive a car to the basin, ski all day then fly back the same day. What a carbon footprint. I love the idea of expansion. Need to have at least one lodge though (like sunshine village where my buddy dave just got hired). There are plenty of stashes to go around. I don't know if any of you have flown over the state in a smaller plane but you'll notice that there is emense forest area. I sure notice it when I'm on a bombardier aircraft flying to tride or silverton for some heli action.--more carbon. Bottom line is, because a basin is so close, it can really grab some skier visits away from copper, and Loveland.
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