Saturday, October 19, 2013

Controversial

Well that last post certainly generated some conversation. As I wrote it I knew it would be controversial.  The new law is creating changes and adjustments.  The wide breadth of all our comments shows what a complicated issue this is in our culture. While there were people supportive of my comments, others were deeply offended. A couple of people asked me to do things that are anatomically impossible.  I think the debate is rich and we are all better for it.  Between this blog and Facebook, hundreds of people weighed in.  Those comments certainly triggered many thoughts with me.  Here are just a few.

Regarding the guys who lost their passes, my comments were a bit heavy. When I came upon them they were smoking a joint at the top of the lift with a bunch of kids nearby. I think most people would agree with me that they needed to go away for a while.

I sincerely apologize to anyone I offended.  That was not my intention. Many people read things into my comments that were not there.  If I could rewrite my post, it would simply read, "Colorado's new law legalizes limited marijuana use. Consumption in public is not allowed. A-Basin is a public place."

That said, I am confident we can keep the vibe and the culture of A-Basin alive.  I hope we can all enjoy this great place realizing the new law does not allow people to smoke pot in the lift lines, on the deck, in the restaurant, and other public places. I hope all of you will keep skiing and riding at The Basin.

38 comments:

Anonymous said...

Saturday night 11pm post from the COO = shit, that last post was bad for business.

Anonymous said...

You're a good man, Al.

Anonymous said...

Regardless of what 64 says there were already laws in place preventing smoking in most of those areas. This is not just a weed issue it should be a general smoking issue. Smoking in the lift lines, on the chair and on the decks is already illegal and has been for some time.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Al. I will not smoke marijuana on the lift line, bar or anywhere where I'm visible.

Anonymous said...

Ron Paul for President 2016

Anonymous said...

Um.... "anatomically impossible"? What exactly are you wanting to do to these poor people!? :O

Anonymous said...

I still want to know about this whole drinking in public thing and why that seems to be OK at your "public" establishment but not cannabis, which in 2 months will be regulated in the same manner as alcohol. Is the only difference that you can sell alcohol there and not weed?

Anonymous said...

I'm allergic to tobacco smoke, and was even more sensitive to it as a kid. Standing in line breathing it in for 15min is enough to get kids sick who are like that. Enforcing the smoking policies on tobacco is a serious deal, and I wish Abasin would enforce it.

Anonymous said...

Al,

Regarding the gents/ladies who lost their passes, did you at least give them a warning and ask them to stop before you yanked their passes? That would be fair.

And I totally agree with the other commenters about all the drunk people skiing down the mountain. Kinda silly you allow that to occur but not harmless smoking.

Anonymous said...

Why do u care what is said on the daily show? Jon Stewart is a comedian who was in Half Baked, BTW.

Anonymous said...

9News sunday: Thousands of a-basin pass holders request refund and decide to start riding breck and keystone instead. One quoted as saying, "Woh!!!!"

Seriously. I smoke every day all day and even I think you are a moron if you smoke in front of a bunch of kids. I see it every day almost now. A lot of these idiots end up in jail on felony child endangerment charges. All it takes is one complaint to the police.

The summit county sheriff has put over 1500 people in jail for smelling like pot while driving. Don't take their lame ass settlement offers, go to trial. I might be on your jury.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, what's up with letting all the morons get drunk in the parking lot before they drive over loveland pass?

The parking lot looks like the international festival of pibber.

Can't wait to get tailgated in the snow on the way home by some drunk fool you guys allowed to drink his entire 30 pack himself in the parking lot.

Anonymous said...

Al

I don't think that the top executive of an organization needs to apologize for stating company policy. If it is blunt, so be it. Too much couching and political correctness going on anyway. Anyone over the age of 16 who doesn't get what is and is not appropriate behavior probably needs to hear it in no uncertain terms

Anonymous said...

I am with you on this one Al.....

Anonymous said...

Al - I think what irked a lot of folks was to see a seemingly out of the blue "anti-marijuana" post, when at the save time the ski industry greatly profits from Colorado's other drug of choice, booze. I mean, a couple of Basin bloodies will put most folks in rough shape to ski, let alone drive over the pass.

Of course folks shouldn't be blatantly lighting up on the lift or in front of kids. But pot and skiing/riding is not suddenly a new phenomenon just because 64 passed, and it was a bit strange to see such a forceful statement on it.

Anonymous said...

My gut tells me this is a reaction to Abay becoming so horrifically crowded the last few seasons... Who needs the smoking crowd when youre already at max capacity?

Anonymous said...

Let's all keep in mind that Al is running a business despite his beliefs on the issue.

Cal said...

Stick to your guns Al. You have a fiduciary duty to keep A-basin a safe and pleasurable experience for your guests. If you let this pot problem in public continue you will lose a part of your customer base that doesn't want to be around the Colorado approved not Nationally approved use of marijuana. Just my thoughts.

tball said...

Sounds like Al is tired of being a high school principal this last week, and I don't blame him. He had the only open ski run in the nation for the better part of a week. That's lots of people piled into a very small area. I'm sure he had to deal with an enormous number of people behaving badly including ways we can't even imagine. Smoking pot at the top of the lift with kids around kids is not OK.

I often think I'd love Al's job, but not this last week.

Anonymous said...

It's not like A-Basin is alone on this one . . . it's the law and everyone has to live with it for the time being. Good, Bad, or Ugly. Al, thanks for the stimulating conversation.

Anonymous said...

As the COO, the consequences of you not enforcing the law are far greater than the random boarder breaking the law.

Anonymous said...

ok, anyone smoking at the top of the lift is an idiot and deserves what they get. I hope they get their passes back soon though, I'm sure they won't be doing that again.

I want to share something that happened at Monarch for all those saying so it in your car. Smoking IN A CAR at lunch last year. Park rangers were on the hill behind the parking lot watching. Came down and tore the car apart searching it for an hour. Wrote us possession and paraphernalia tickets despite having medical cards because we were on federal land. Said they didn't care. Be careful!

Anonymous said...

absolutely the right policy for A-basin. I am thrilled that someone in CO is finally going to enforce the law: it is illegal to smoke pot in public and it's illegal to smoke it on federal land (most ski areas) anyway. My family will be skiing a LOT more at A-basin and will avoid those ski areas that don't take this strong a stand against illegal smoking

Anonymous said...

I smoke weed at abasin all the time. I do it where it won't offend other people. It isn't hard. Just use your brain and be decent about it. People smoking joints at the top of the lift line are morons and don't deserve to be treated like adults.

Keep up the good work Al.

Anonymous said...

Colorado pot smokers should understand that they should be ambassadors for the medical marijuana law.

How they behave in public will influence public opinion in other states.

The folks that lost their passes were foolish and inconsiderate. Not the folks you want on the mountain.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for enforcing the law. I appreciate your efforts to keep the resort family friendly. A couple of suggestions - add an item to your maps like your smokefree lifts and lines item reminding people that marijuana smoking is not permitted anywhere at the resort. You might also post some signs on the walkways leading to the lifts to remind people since not all of them read the maps (maybe even something at the ticket window). And of course add signs at the lifts for the same thing and for smoking in line and on the lift (they may be there already; however, I do not recall seeing them during the 4 days I have skied so far this year).

Anonymous said...

alan, the demographic that is in question here is fairly youthful. Meaning, these individuals who might be offended do not pay much in the way of taxes, no less pay for there own ski pass.

Since 1998 I have learned why drive over vail pass when I can ski at the basin. My loyalty is like an oak! Vive A-abasin

Anonymous said...

Thanks for standing up for what is right Al! The majority of your pass holders don't want to see pot, don't want to breathe it, don't want to smell it, don't want our kids exposed to it, and don't want stoned riders on the mountain (any more than we want the losers who are drinking in the parking lot or in the bar prior to riding on the mountain). Anyone riding under the influence of drugs or alchohol IS NOT WANTED and we appreciate you cracking down.

Legalization would have never, ever passed if it would have allowed consumption of marijuana in public. IMO the fastest way to get the law repealed will be for the people giving you grief to continue to try to smoke in public. I think the majority of your pass-holders are with you on your actions. The kind of people who are either so addicted or so socially irresponsible that they feel they must combine smoking and riding on the mountain do need to go away for a very long time. And to the medical marijuana guy needs to go away too. I'm glad it helps his pain, but he shouldn't be riding when he is impaired.

The majority of the state may have been willing to agree that people should be able to do what they want to do in the privacy of their own homes, but that is a long way from advocating smoking pot in public. It also does not mean that pot smokers are somehow a majority in this state. It is sad that some people confuse "the vibe" at A-Basin with acting like complete idiots.

Anonymous said...

A-basin needs a principles offices. Put 'em on dish duty for a few days and restrict their passes to the bunny hill only for 3 years!!!

Anonymous said...

Unsure why this is a discussion... It is illegal to smoke in public, and still illegal to smoke on federal land. Why should Al and Abasin risk federal penalty for a bunch of idiot 20 somethings and their $269 pass, who want to break the law?

Doesn't matter how accepting the public is, it is not legal. No business is going to risk success over a bunch of stoners whining publicly - end of story.

Anonymous said...

Todays comment got the point across alot better then yesterdays. No need to be mad folks, just keep it real and out of the faces of the kids and nonsmokers. Pretty easy.

Anonymous said...

Good job Al, you have given Abasin a shitty image after your stupid comment last night. I will still ride the basin, but not as much as I use to. I'm sure a lot of other people feel the same way.

Phil said...

This person summed it up well: "Unsure why this is a discussion... It is illegal to smoke in public, and still illegal to smoke on federal land."

End of story. STOP BREAKING THE LAW!

Anonymous said...

Every one of these guys bitching about this will be the same people appreciating it as soon as they start taking their 6 year old skiing or riding at A Basin. Every one!

Anonymous said...

Kids smell wood smoke all the time. Kids smell burning piles of leaves in the fall. Kids smell smoke from bbq smokers. (Colorado) kids often smell the smoke from forest fires. Catching a quick whiff of some secondhand marijuana smoke will not get anybody high, so i really, really, really don't understand this argument about "the children" smelling a type of smoke that smells a little different from all the other types of smoke they smell every day.

With that said, I get that it's illegal to smoke in public and visitors to A-basin should respect the law. However, open containers are also against the law, so if there's going to be a crackdown on marijuana smokers, i assume there will be no more drinking at tailgates on the beach, correct? Those people will all be losing their passes too?

TomsSkiVideos1 said...

I am a cigarette smoker and the culture has definitely changed towards the smoking of cigarettes. I respect that and don't smoke cigarettes when and where I shouldn't whether or not the law dictates it. I do it out of respect for those around me and use common sense and judgement. For those who choose to smoke marijuana, please us the same judgement. Though the law has changed, that doesn't mean the whole of society has accepted it.

Anonymous said...

I find it sad that this would be a controversial statement at all. But I can only laugh at the suggestion some have made that they will take their business to Breck or Keystone in light of this policy. What do you people think their policy is? Let's ask them:

'According to Kelly Ladyga, vice president of corporate communications at Vail Resorts, the company’s policy at its four Colorado resorts has not changed and it will continue a “zero-tolerance stance” toward reckless behavior on the mountain. “If a guest is found using marijuana on the mountain, they will be removed from the mountain by ski patrol or security, may lose their pass and/or law enforcement may be notified depending on the circumstances,” she said.'

(As quoted in Onthesnow.com) Look, I have no problem with people smoking weed in private, but as Al stated, 64 does not legalize smoking it in public. If the obnoxious behavior continues, some people might get fed up enough to overturn 64. I'd hate to see that happen from a personal freedon standpoint, but I for goodness sakes, keep it out of sight (and smell).

Anonymous said...

SINCE MY FIRST COMMENT WAS DELETED....I WILL TRY THIS AGAIN! This will take you to the COLORADO SKI SAFETY ACT (http://nspc203.com/leg/ColoradoSkiSafetyAct.htm)

Check out #9 under - CRS §33-44-109. Duties of skiers - penalties

(9) No person shall move uphill on any passenger tramway or use any ski slope or trail while such person's ability to do so is impaired by the consumption of alcohol or by the use of any controlled substance, as defined in section 12-22-303 (7), C.R.S., or other drug or while such person is under the influence of alcohol or any controlled substance, as defined in section 12-22-303 (7), C.R.S., or other drug.